Talk:Indonesia

Change of Photos in the Transportation section

I saw a picture of the TransJakarta bus with the Whoosh Train, basically it doesn't cover the entire territory of Indonesia. So I want to replace the bus Damri and the train KAI which are both owned by BUMN, not owned which Whoosh by the private sector or TransJakarta by BUMD DKI Jakarta Whatsup236 (talk) 10:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

High-speed trains are also part of KAI (Kereta Api Indonesia), while TransJakarta is an example of a Bus Rapid Transit system that operates in several cities in Indonesia. Bayoka55 (talk) 10:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

KAI does not own Whoosh, only shares in KAI, so de facto Whoosh is owned by KCIC, which is in fact a private company. While TransJakarta certainly represents the BRT system, what is discussed here is transportation that connects cities in Indonesia. and not for mobility within just one city Whatsup236 (talk) 12:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

According to Supreme Court of Indonesia, a subsidiary of BUMN is still considered as BUMN, since they serve as extension arms of BUMN business... yeah it is somewhat confusing.

However, I agree with Whatsup236 regarding the image selection for the transportation section of the article. Since the article is about Indonesia, the image should feature transportation modes commonly found throughout the country, rather than focusing solely on those available in specific cities. Using only selected modes of transportation could give readers the wrong impression that they're widely available across Indonesia. Ckfasdf (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems like the High-speed Train should also be displayed here, but in a separate space because it still only covers two cities. I agree with Whatsup236 statement that they should replace the photo. Whoosh and TransJakarta seem to represent cities in Indonesia, but do not cover all regions in Indonesia. Baqotun0023 (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Transcontinental country

Why is it that it is only mentioned in the Geography section that Indonesia is a transcontinental country? Why not state it on the main article summary as well? 2406:3003:2002:2D79:645F:EDDC:481F:15A0 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Because it's pretty meaningless trivia. CMD (talk) 03:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

New Guinea is fully part of Oceania, that's why. G0dzillaboy02 (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Links on parameters

As requested by @Nikkimaria to start a discussion, I want to point out a few things on my disagreement on the removal of links, particularly from the government_type parameter, here are my points:

1. As per MOS:INFOBOX, it is not prohibited to include links that are not sections of the article.
2. Links on parameters are included to provide an information to summarize the article and to avoid any ambiguity of the information.
3. The link you just removed wasn't duplicated (See MOS:DUPLICATELINK) within the infobox itself.

Therefore, I insist to not remove the link within the parameters. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mhatopzz, MOS:SOB indicates that multiple links shouldn't be conjoined in that way. The more specific link is the appropriate one to retain in this case. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, alright there are few things I wanted to add, In order to avoid ambiguity of an information within the Infobox (since the infobox is a summary of an article), I think we could make an exception only for one parameter, that is the government_type, unless there is a replacement link for it like Unitary parliamentary republic. Perhaps, we could think of a better way to restructure the sentence without making it ambiguous since I am pretty much concerned with people that are new or unfamiliar with the word "Unitary" in an infobox. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Not seeing any ambiguity with the existing approach, but if you're concerned, we could simply make the value "presidential republic" - this would be consistent with what the lead says. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

No I think it's still important to differentiate between a Unitary state and a Federal state, since it is also described in the article, we can't just remove the value of a parameter just to simplify it. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024

Indonesia
Establishment
• Proclaimed Independence from the Netherlands	17 August 1945
• Emergency Government of the Republic of Indonesia	22 December 1948
• Republic of United States of Indonesia & Recognized Independence from the Netherlands	27 December 1949
• Liberal / Parliamentary Democracy of The Republic of Indonesia	17 August 1950
• Guided Democracy of The Republic of Indonesia	5 July 1959
• New Order of The Republic of Indonesia	11 March 1966
• Reformation of The Republic of Indonesia	21 May 1998

Handhikka (talk) 06:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Not done, the additions are not changes in sovereignty. CMD (talk) 06:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2024

“The country’s capital, Jakarta” should be changed to “the country’s largest city” V37z (talk) 13:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

 Question: why? M.Bitton (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It was moved to Nusantara since 17 August 2024 to avoid Jakarta from sinking in the next decade. 2001:FD8:2606:147:2053:6E3D:CDE4:C612 (talk) 00:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

No it wasn't. The capital has not yet been moved - it is only a plan. There has been no government announcement about a move. Davidelit (Talk) 01:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done per Davidelit comment above. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wrong capital

The page is locked for edits, but I see it had the wrong capital. Indonesia officiaøøy changed to Nusantara om 17th of August. 46.15.96.48 (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

It did not, celebrations were held there, but the city is still under construction. CMD (talk) 12:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Lol its still forest 🤣 Protocetus1 (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2024

i want to change critical error on the wikipedia about indonesia (en wiki) there's called

The name Indonesia derives from the Greek words Indos (Ἰνδός) and nesos (νῆσος), meaning "Indian islands".[12] The name dates back to the 19th century, far predating the formation of independent Indonesia. In 1850, George Windsor Earl, an English ethnologist, proposed the terms Indunesians—and, his preference, Malayunesians—for the inhabitants of the "Indian Archipelago or Malay Archipelago".[13][14] In the same publication, one of his students, James Richardson Logan, used Indonesia as a synonym for Indian Archipelago.[15][16] Dutch academics writing in East Indies publications were reluctant to use Indonesia. They preferred Malay Archipelago (Dutch: Maleische Archipel); the Netherlands East Indies (Nederlandsch Oost Indië), popularly Indië; the East (de Oost); and Insulinde.[17]

which is wrong, malay archipelago is commonly used to call sumatra and smaller island around it. not whole continent of indonesia. commonly indonesia called by "nusantara" (since historical date of majapahit on 1336) or dutch east indies (since early 1620s) i think this is massive wrong when calling indonesian as "malay archipelago" where the malay itself even minority. even javanese not identify himself as malay.

i hope you can unlock this edit, i myself is now learning for Magister degree on my campus on historic matter, and it's sad to see simple things like indonesia "Whole indonesia" being called malay archipelago where the rest of indonesia doesn't even identify as malay's

i can help modify/renew the source with lastest credible research and source too. i hope you can accept my appeal

called whole island (modern day indonesia and part of philipine and whole malaysia as nusantara) and it's own people also call it "Majapahit inside nusantara archipelego" and yeah idealism about "malay archipelego" is some facist malaysian idealism that drive from man made history of "ALAM MELAYU" which said "all South East Asian + some part of south indian, and almost all sea related" is being own by malay which is hughly false, we're all know that almost all of it is exaggerated by malaysian to propaganda that they're the best tribe on south east asia. which is not true. since human had it's own history and past. with that being said. i hope you can move the "melayu archipelago" to "melayu of indonesia" section instead slapping it to entire indonesia which isn't even melayu at all. even nearest people like dayak on kalimantan will not call himself as melayu. Dhanamerdeka (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Remsense ‥ 论 20:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)